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HUGE UFO over India filmed from Airplane window - Nov 2015 !!!

HUGE UFO over India filmed from Airplane window - Nov 2015 !!! November 2015 - Sky of India, Rajasthan. Huge UFO with light orbs over clouds filmed from airp...

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Rob Freeman Interesting .. but hard to know if this is authentic .. so much stuff is fake .. my position is that I have to "see & film it for myself" before I believe it .. have checked some debunking sites on this one, like Snopes, but can't find anything so far.

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Jeremy Thomas There is a heuristic "rule", that no necessarily is 100% accurated as many others: the more "mechanical" a sighting is claimed to be the more likely is that the given interpretation/data is wrong.

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Richard George I feel if someone has taken such a photo, if they would offer a polygraph, as to it being them, and if it had been altered, it would lend to the credibility, I would offer this for any of my photos. I know polygraphs are actually quite accurate these days...

Gosto · Responder · 1 · 21 de Dezembro de 2015 às 23:22

Jeremy Thomas It can be noted even in human technological evolution that the more complex a "machine" is the more "alive" the machine will appear, in the "limit" they will be very much indistinguishable, the "ultimate" goal is to build AI(artificial intelligence) but that will be by its very definition "alive".

Gosto · Responder · 1 · 22 de Dezembro de 2015 às 0:26

Richard George I believe that is true, however I do believe the machines will have a definite initial state form, when activated they will be alive, and can be any shape if desired by the controlling entities, including their initial form. Just an opinion...

Gosto · Responder · 1 · 22 de Dezembro de 2015 às 0:31

John Graf I just know there are more than orbs in our skies. I have seen many strange objects. I have seen many of the fake videos too but my gut tells me this was actually seen from the plane window. I could be wrong. The clouds below the craft are completely filled with HAARP activity. You can see the waves in them. I photograph them all the time.

Gosto · Responder · 1 · 22 de Dezembro de 2015 às 0:36

Richard George When the ETs are trying to show a human it is indeed them, and believe me the fact we see them is intentional, they may reveal themselves in a variable morphology, however if you are not use to seeing such an object, or they are attempting to impress a larger audience as to their presence, they will most likely reveal themselves in a more linear morphology, that humans are accustomed to, if they are trying to get a message out to you, in my opinion. Early in my contact, when the ETs revealed to me these “spirit orbs?” attach to craft, which in turn attached to a much larger craft (motherships?), I was shown more human conventional shapes. If the ETs had shown me the “spirit orbs?” attaching to a blob, then to a larger blob, I actually would not have gotten the message. Now, the fact I speak about them, and see them, as many others do, if I am lying about them, do you think I will maintain contact? I myself do not believe that for a moment. Peace

Gosto · Responder · 1 · 22 de Dezembro de 2015 às 1:49

Franny Hudson Without a doubt CGI I have a good eye for spotting a fake! I can without a doubt promise this is fake. The movement when the object entered the clouds the video lost focus to cover the effect. Also section 51 are one of the biggest hoax channels around.

Gosto · Responder · 1 · 22 de Dezembro de 2015 às 9:27

Franny Hudson Just put this on a still image give it a little shake, so it appears to have movement. Then lose focus also the clouds where never distributed when it was entering the clouds. I believe ufo theater already debunked this video and channel.

Gosto · Responder · 1 · 22 de Dezembro de 2015 às 15:35 · Editado

Franny Hudson https://youtu.be/TDukWhtQV40 4.50 mins not the video posted, but the channel is the biggest fraud ever! maybe you could defend them once or twice if you truly did believe the footage was real. But its very obvious this channel is a fraud exploiting the phenomenon to make money.

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Gosto · Responder · 1 · 22 de Dezembro de 2015 às 9:54

Jeremy Thomas Franny Hudson the people that love mechanical looking artifacts still had not "discovered" the neat duplication trick of anomalies: by forming objects or figures in the ground with the shaped that they want anomalies will duplicate that shape in the sky, sooner or later somebody unscrupulously will exploit that fact, but usually people that tend to do that are not that "creative".

Gosto · Responder · 2 · 22 de Dezembro de 2015 às 12:23

Jeremy Thomas In the same way that they do it with digits they will do it with any other shape.

Gosto · Responder · 2 · 22 de Dezembro de 2015 às 12:33

Franny Hudson Another good way to find out if it's a hoax is there's never any links to the original footage.

Gosto · Responder · 1 · 22 de Dezembro de 2015 às 15:40

Jeremy Thomas Also many of these hyped footage do not pass the "consistency test".

Gosto · Responder · 1 · 22 de Dezembro de 2015 às 16:15

Richard George I just know if you are saying they cannot appear as mechanical shapes you are wrong, you are also limiting your input data, and corresponding analysis. It is indeed very important you understand these are conscious sentient beings. If you overlook this, eventually you may lose contact IMO. The ETs are very humorous, and they are up to a good laugh, I have seen that. They are also very protective to injustices. They are basically like a human, but of other forms, and many probably will not believe this, but they are also of God, this has been shared with me. It is true they can mimic anything, including camera noise, and it is done. They think much quicker than a human, and their technology is conscious, and conscious based, so they know your thoughts when interacting with them. Each anomaly is accompanied by orbs. I see these anomalies everyday visually and interact with them, they do not always let me capture them, I am flashed constantly and in house. They have helped me tremendously, and still are. The ships I have mentioned, and photographed, are true, and I was informed of their presence. I have seen a triangle craft up close, it was very large, the front was a fifty feet from me, the craft extended backwards at about a thirty degree angle, for several hundred feet, directly over houses, the front was about fifty feet from the top of a house. The craft was green in color and had a tiled look about it.. I was only allowed to see the craft visually and was not given time to photograph it. I do not believe this is what they wish. Also, I have seen many triangle craft semi-materialized over my home, much like the photos I have shared here, and I am usually informed of their presence. If you doubt it you are hurting yourself. I have offered a polygraph, I have nothing to hide... My contact with these beings is a little different than many here. Part of the reason is I have been told they like what I say about them. I have seen many ETs in meditation, also a few visually, and captured a few in photographs. These anomalies are the de-materialized ETs, they are also the orbs, I have been informed. I also did not buy that particular video, but I would not doubt an anomaly could take that form, or any for for that matter... Peace and Light

Gosto · Responder · 1 · 22 de Dezembro de 2015 às 16:48

Jeremy Thomas If one thing I had learned from all of this is never, ever take anything on faith, only what is supported by objective and consistent observations, any "subjective" source from any kind, even claiming to be God, if it is not "objectivized" it is really irrelevant for the observations that we are doing, only what can be concretely observed is relevant for the goals stated in this group.

As a matter of fact any "actionable" knowledge that we had disccused and provided in this group had come to be as a result of concrete observations, no actionable insight had come from any "subjective" source. The tools that we use to "objetivize" what we perceive are the result of hard science, etc, etc...

Gosto · Responder · 1 · 22 de Dezembro de 2015 às 18:10

Richard George Jeremy, God is a supreme being, God is not a deity. Even science is based on belief, and only goes so far as understanding is allowed by our own limitations. So science is belief also, there is really no such thing as being absolutely objective, how can that be? There would be so many mistakes, science is evolving, along with us... Measurement alone somehow does not do it with this type of phenomenon... Ok, so the group is attempting to analyse some beings perhaps billions of years ahead in evolution? Or is it the group is actually trying to identify the characteristics of various anomalies, much as an ornithologist does with birds? You know coloration, behaviours, ranges, populations, and other attributes?

Gosto · Responder · 1 · 22 de Dezembro de 2015 às 18:27

Jeremy Thomas The "useful/actionable" knowledge that we had gained so far about anomalies had come from hard work and direct observations, none had come from any "subjective" sources, we welcome any "actionable" insight that will result in better observations: how to improve or design better instruments, how to make observations more effective, how to "interact" better with anomalies, etc. If anybody have that kind of concrete, objetive insight it will be just not very smart not to try them, but claims that are not supported by observations or are essentially impossible to verify by any kind of direct or inderect means are irrelevant and only add "obfuscation" to what we do.

We had mentioned that classical Ufology had been stagnant for more than 50 years precisely by being drown for many unssuported claims, by the obfuscation created by these unssuported claims, we do not want to fall into that tral again, the only clear path to avoid that trap is to be strictly objetive and make claims that are only supported by concrete and consistent observations, failing to do that is a sure way to walk into the same maze. By accepting just one "subjetive" claim we are opening the door to any other subjetive claim.

Gosto · Responder · 1 · 22 de Dezembro de 2015 às 18:40

Jeremy Thomas Again we are "restricting" this group to claims that are based in the result of direct observations of anomalies, what they are we still do not know based in available observational data. And again we do not take anything on faith.

Also we know that anomalies can take any shape, that includes "mechanical" looking shapes.

Gosto · Responder · 1 · 22 de Dezembro de 2015 às 18:44

Richard George In my opinion, what is happening here is a form of limitation, at least for me, I do believe this is a great group of people with an honest, open, and diligent effort in understanding this phenomenon. I myself because of the close contact I have, feel limited in this group, I cannot honestly be myself here, since I feel limited in expressing my interactions with these beings/anomalies, and I seem to be offering information against the rules created by the group. I will say this, the beings will reveal what they wish you to know, they have the means, not vice versa. Anyway I will take leave of the group. I really do like you guys, and wish you the best. Peace be with all of you. I will be following your YT sites, I do like seeing the interactions... Emoji smile

 Jeremy, I think you are a great person, it really is about me and my contact, I am at a different place with my contact, and do not wish to interfere, and I kind of felt that way from the start, knowing how you believed from watching your YT, so it really is not anything against you as a person, we are looking at this phenomenon from different angles... Peace

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